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		<title>By: Benjamin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Degrees and diplomas now dictate the qualifications for a theologian. Therefore theologians think they are scientist yet declare that existence is not physical.
     Scientist however are qualified by their degrees and diplomas yet fall short of declaring that existence is physical. The truth lies not in available volumes of knowledge rather beneath their feet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Degrees and diplomas now dictate the qualifications for a theologian. Therefore theologians think they are scientist yet declare that existence is not physical.<br />
     Scientist however are qualified by their degrees and diplomas yet fall short of declaring that existence is physical. The truth lies not in available volumes of knowledge rather beneath their feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The hallmark of a scientist that has given up - turning to God. History is littered with great minds that reached an impasse and simply gave up, like John Polkinghorne. 

Newton himself gave up on science after writing his &quot;Principia Mathematica&quot;, he placed the planets in their right locations but gave up on figuring out what caused their movement, etc. - that was the domain of God. After which Newton completely abandoned science and turned to writing religious tracts, and other non-scientific endevours.

John Polkinghorne&#039;s case sounds eerily familiar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hallmark of a scientist that has given up &#8211; turning to God. History is littered with great minds that reached an impasse and simply gave up, like John Polkinghorne. </p>
<p>Newton himself gave up on science after writing his &#8220;Principia Mathematica&#8221;, he placed the planets in their right locations but gave up on figuring out what caused their movement, etc. &#8211; that was the domain of God. After which Newton completely abandoned science and turned to writing religious tracts, and other non-scientific endevours.</p>
<p>John Polkinghorne&#8217;s case sounds eerily familiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Religion is indeed man-made and as such, is flawed.  Spirituality, that sense of being part of something greater, however, is universal, and I think it can entirely complement and enhance the advances made in science.  Religions are merely various pathways to the same source, which lies beyond anything man could ever find, solve, or understand.  That peace which surpasses all understanding.  Science seeks truth, and so does spirituality.  Both are noble endeavors and serve the advancement of humankind.  I hope that one day man will evolve to a point where specific religions, which divide us by boxing and labeling things according to the cultures who created them, are no longer needed to access spirituality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Religion is indeed man-made and as such, is flawed.  Spirituality, that sense of being part of something greater, however, is universal, and I think it can entirely complement and enhance the advances made in science.  Religions are merely various pathways to the same source, which lies beyond anything man could ever find, solve, or understand.  That peace which surpasses all understanding.  Science seeks truth, and so does spirituality.  Both are noble endeavors and serve the advancement of humankind.  I hope that one day man will evolve to a point where specific religions, which divide us by boxing and labeling things according to the cultures who created them, are no longer needed to access spirituality.</p>
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		<title>By: Manfred Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manfred Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2011 19:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To believe in a given religion, which takes for granted the existence of a deity, requires the suspension of what makes us human, Reason. All religion was invented by man, based on superstitions, ignorance and prejudice...and perhaps as a way to dominate people. Science may not have all the answers, life and the universe entail misteries that our imperfect intellect may never grasp...but at least in theory, everything has an explanation, and science may follow some day. MM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To believe in a given religion, which takes for granted the existence of a deity, requires the suspension of what makes us human, Reason. All religion was invented by man, based on superstitions, ignorance and prejudice&#8230;and perhaps as a way to dominate people. Science may not have all the answers, life and the universe entail misteries that our imperfect intellect may never grasp&#8230;but at least in theory, everything has an explanation, and science may follow some day. MM.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie-Chantal Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Chantal Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 23:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that science and faith are like space and time.  They are two sides of the same substance.  You can have all one, all the other, or some combination of the two.  A sort of dualism, if you will.

I like Anglican&#039;s view:  &quot;God creates, science explains.&quot;  But isn&#039;t there more to it than that?  Religion is a quest for God, is not science also rooted there?  We want to understand how the world works, not only to create technology and made life easier, but also to answer the ultimate questions we have been asking since our ancestors roamed the plains of Africa.

Who are we?  Why are we here?  And most importantly, what is this force that drives and connects us?  Before we could answer those questions with science, however, we need to understand the basics, like &quot;how can we get a steady food supply, free ourselves of disease, and secure shelter.&quot;  Once we know how to do that, we can devote ourselves to the &#039;big&#039; questions. 

It seems that somewhere along the way, science forgot that.  But just because one cannot use science to find God today, does not mean that we will not be able to do it tomorrow.
 
&quot;Ask and ye shall receive.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that science and faith are like space and time.  They are two sides of the same substance.  You can have all one, all the other, or some combination of the two.  A sort of dualism, if you will.</p>
<p>I like Anglican&#8217;s view:  &#8220;God creates, science explains.&#8221;  But isn&#8217;t there more to it than that?  Religion is a quest for God, is not science also rooted there?  We want to understand how the world works, not only to create technology and made life easier, but also to answer the ultimate questions we have been asking since our ancestors roamed the plains of Africa.</p>
<p>Who are we?  Why are we here?  And most importantly, what is this force that drives and connects us?  Before we could answer those questions with science, however, we need to understand the basics, like &#8220;how can we get a steady food supply, free ourselves of disease, and secure shelter.&#8221;  Once we know how to do that, we can devote ourselves to the &#8216;big&#8217; questions. </p>
<p>It seems that somewhere along the way, science forgot that.  But just because one cannot use science to find God today, does not mean that we will not be able to do it tomorrow.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ask and ye shall receive.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Celebrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celebrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 03:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;religion demands blind obediance&quot;: No it doesn&#039;t.

&quot;Come now, let us reason together,&quot; says the LORD.  - Isaiah 1:18

And also 

&quot;Look around in wonder, because I&#039;m doing things right now you wouldn&#039;t believe even if I told you...&quot; - Habakkuk 1:5

I wasn&#039;t raised to accept my God unquestionally or any of my other beliefs unquestionally.   My reason and my science doesn&#039;t contrast or attack my faith and my religion, but rather informs it.   This belief you have of the antagonism between science and religion isn&#039;t based in science.

&quot;Humanity is abandoning religion, and gaining peace.&quot;

And that isn&#039;t a statement grounded in or provable by science either, but it is in fact a form of historcism.  You have faith in your conviction that your great loves of Science and Reason will triumph over the darkness of ignorance and usher in a glorious age of peace, but this is conviction which is itself not grounded in Science and Reason so is itself evidence that overthows itself.  For there is reason to hope that Reason will bring rationality and peace to man, if you yourself are so easily swayed away from it into the belief in a materialistic Eschaton.  And indeed, there is no reason to believe from the evidence of history, which though itself is not a science ought to at least count for something, that societies that have abandoned religion (or more specifically, a belief in God) have replaced it with something better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;religion demands blind obediance&#8221;: No it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>&#8220;Come now, let us reason together,&#8221; says the LORD.  &#8211; Isaiah 1:18</p>
<p>And also </p>
<p>&#8220;Look around in wonder, because I&#8217;m doing things right now you wouldn&#8217;t believe even if I told you&#8230;&#8221; &#8211; Habakkuk 1:5</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t raised to accept my God unquestionally or any of my other beliefs unquestionally.   My reason and my science doesn&#8217;t contrast or attack my faith and my religion, but rather informs it.   This belief you have of the antagonism between science and religion isn&#8217;t based in science.</p>
<p>&#8220;Humanity is abandoning religion, and gaining peace.&#8221;</p>
<p>And that isn&#8217;t a statement grounded in or provable by science either, but it is in fact a form of historcism.  You have faith in your conviction that your great loves of Science and Reason will triumph over the darkness of ignorance and usher in a glorious age of peace, but this is conviction which is itself not grounded in Science and Reason so is itself evidence that overthows itself.  For there is reason to hope that Reason will bring rationality and peace to man, if you yourself are so easily swayed away from it into the belief in a materialistic Eschaton.  And indeed, there is no reason to believe from the evidence of history, which though itself is not a science ought to at least count for something, that societies that have abandoned religion (or more specifically, a belief in God) have replaced it with something better.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon de Vegt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon de Vegt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2011 10:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I admire Polkinghorne for not abandoning reason and observation of the natural world. However, it distresses me to see that a person of his intellect believes, completely without credible evidence, that a man who died over two thousand years ago will one day return to judge us all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire Polkinghorne for not abandoning reason and observation of the natural world. However, it distresses me to see that a person of his intellect believes, completely without credible evidence, that a man who died over two thousand years ago will one day return to judge us all.</p>
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		<title>By: LaurieGrenoble</title>
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		<dc:creator>LaurieGrenoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is science is observation and repetition?  No one was there to observe the beginning, so science is left with only theory.  Science is unable to create matter from nothingness so there can be no repetition of the event.  I have no need for man&#039;s scientific wisdom to validate the word of God.  I stand in faith, in the precious scriptures and simply don&#039;t worry what the World may think.    Yes, faith can be that simple!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is science is observation and repetition?  No one was there to observe the beginning, so science is left with only theory.  Science is unable to create matter from nothingness so there can be no repetition of the event.  I have no need for man&#8217;s scientific wisdom to validate the word of God.  I stand in faith, in the precious scriptures and simply don&#8217;t worry what the World may think.    Yes, faith can be that simple!</p>
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		<title>By: Alistair McBride</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alistair McBride</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Joel &quot;…religion demands blind obedience…&quot; Is this really the case? Some groups yes definitely, but in my experience as a scientist and minister, that has not been my experience of Christian churches and believers or those of other faiths. Reason, experience, reflection and critical choice are part of the spiritual disciplines of most of those who I have been associated with over the years. I certainly don&#039;t demand blind anything from the members of my congregations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joel &#8220;…religion demands blind obedience…&#8221; Is this really the case? Some groups yes definitely, but in my experience as a scientist and minister, that has not been my experience of Christian churches and believers or those of other faiths. Reason, experience, reflection and critical choice are part of the spiritual disciplines of most of those who I have been associated with over the years. I certainly don&#8217;t demand blind anything from the members of my congregations.</p>
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		<title>By: Anglican</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anglican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 18:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[God created everything. Of course God and science can co-exist. I&#039;m not a creationist. I believe the &quot;theory&quot; of evolution helps explain things. God can create in 7 twenty-four hour days or 7 sixty second days or 7 geological epochs whatever. God creates, science explains. When science gets it wrong it trys again. &quot;How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God created everything. Of course God and science can co-exist. I&#8217;m not a creationist. I believe the &#8220;theory&#8221; of evolution helps explain things. God can create in 7 twenty-four hour days or 7 sixty second days or 7 geological epochs whatever. God creates, science explains. When science gets it wrong it trys again. &#8220;How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joel Welty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel Welty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But which of the thousands of the earth&#039;s religions should you accept in tandem with science?  Science is refutable, but religion demands blind obedience, often even in defiance of evidence.  We have a more reliable, less hysterical, way of examining the world with science.  Humanity is abandoning religion, and gaining peace.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But which of the thousands of the earth&#8217;s religions should you accept in tandem with science?  Science is refutable, but religion demands blind obedience, often even in defiance of evidence.  We have a more reliable, less hysterical, way of examining the world with science.  Humanity is abandoning religion, and gaining peace.</p>
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		<title>By: C. Darwin Sewell</title>
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		<dc:creator>C. Darwin Sewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Accept faith and acknowledge truth then walk hand in hand woth God and Science this way you will be whole and enjoy life more fully.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accept faith and acknowledge truth then walk hand in hand woth God and Science this way you will be whole and enjoy life more fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Warth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph Warth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Finally a scientist who is not afraid to go where the evidence leads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally a scientist who is not afraid to go where the evidence leads.</p>
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